tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1718009912831762810.post5052716333675747282..comments2023-04-03T02:43:57.159-07:00Comments on Cheryl Haskins: Too Extreme for Renton: Correction!Renton Citizenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10878164253533231218noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1718009912831762810.post-57226171460603899542007-10-27T17:36:00.000-07:002007-10-27T17:36:00.000-07:00Actually, RC has mentioned two arguments, both of ...Actually, RC has mentioned two arguments, both of which you reject as irrelevant:<BR/><BR/>1: She has no significant ties to Renton, as evidenced by her huge out-of-city financing.<BR/><BR/>2: She has worked for years to prevent same-sex marriage from becoming a reality.<BR/><BR/>Please list one "vicious attack" RC has made.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1718009912831762810.post-69603298879812915522007-10-27T16:01:00.000-07:002007-10-27T16:01:00.000-07:00Civil discourse? Please, RC and others hide their...Civil discourse? Please, RC and others hide their vicious attacks using the veneer of civility. A strong candidate with a fresh face and new ideas for the economic well being of all of Renton is being slimed, slandered, all for one political argument that you do not agree with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1718009912831762810.post-29089579300904540762007-10-27T09:47:00.000-07:002007-10-27T09:47:00.000-07:00Anonymous, you don't exactly come across as a fair...Anonymous, you don't exactly come across as a fair-minded lover of civil discourse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1718009912831762810.post-76822756327972766242007-10-26T23:55:00.000-07:002007-10-26T23:55:00.000-07:00I hope you leave this site up the day after Cheryl...I hope you leave this site up the day after Cheryl's victory, I intend to rub it in, for all the meaness and bad feelings you created! Unlike you, I am sure rationale folks will continue to work with those who disagree with an unrelated issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1718009912831762810.post-71093620401894219202007-10-26T22:47:00.000-07:002007-10-26T22:47:00.000-07:00Yes indeed, Mike... comparing anti-gay oppression ...Yes indeed, Mike... comparing anti-gay oppression with any other form of discrimination, bias, or hatred is offensive to my detractors. But that's OK, because I have new friends like you and Karl to cut through the crap and tell it like it is.Renton Citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10878164253533231218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1718009912831762810.post-88269955995976296412007-10-26T22:38:00.000-07:002007-10-26T22:38:00.000-07:00Careful, RC. By even mentioning anti-immigrants or...Careful, RC. By even mentioning anti-immigrants or anti-Mormons, you'll get accused of a smear!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1718009912831762810.post-54505360560238240372007-10-26T22:11:00.000-07:002007-10-26T22:11:00.000-07:00That's exactly the point... someone who's made suc...That's exactly the point... someone who's made such a big deal out of gay issues is not an appropriate choice for a city council. Do you really think I want to be discussing these issues on a local level? No, I don't. I am only doing so reluctantly, and at great personal risk. But I'm not going to stand by and watch a woman who's devoted her recent life's work to fighting against gay issues get onto the city council. What is so difficult to understand about my concerns? If she'd headed an anti-immigrant, anti-Mormon, or anti-Islamic group, would that be OK with everyone? It doesn't matter whether people agree with her poltics or not; what matters is that she has already demonstrated a propensity to alienate people, rather than bring them together.Renton Citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10878164253533231218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1718009912831762810.post-40014086693258708752007-10-26T22:00:00.000-07:002007-10-26T22:00:00.000-07:00Damn it (I am angry thay RC twist statements to pu...Damn it (I am angry thay RC twist statements to punish those who diagree) <BR/><BR/>Get off your high horse, no one cares who you sleep with, this is not a gay issue!!! It is just like you to employ the "gay card" to slander, smear, whoever deviates from your shallow and narrow policits. Get over it, this is a city council positon that has nothting ( I MEAN NOTHING) to do with gay agenda.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1718009912831762810.post-21706333287006425122007-10-26T21:45:00.000-07:002007-10-26T21:45:00.000-07:00Exactly, Karl! Thanks for chiming in,Exactly, Karl! Thanks for chiming in,Renton Citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10878164253533231218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1718009912831762810.post-26576935460161486772007-10-26T21:41:00.000-07:002007-10-26T21:41:00.000-07:00Okay, this is getting silly. Renton Citizen can ta...Okay, this is getting silly. Renton Citizen can talk himself blue in the face, but so many of the visitors (or the commenters, at least) won't hear a word of it.<BR/><BR/>Renton Citizen is endorsing Greg Taylor, a conservative Christian!<BR/><BR/>R.C. has said that as far as he is concerned, a candidate's private beliefs (not secret beliefs—private beliefs) are his own business. R.C. is endorsing a man who (we can assume) believes many things that are contrary to R.C.'s own beliefs!<BR/><BR/>It's one thing to believe, for instance, that homosexuals should not be allowed to marry. It is another thing to put your energy and passion into preventing people from obtaining various rights or privileges. Don't you see the difference?!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1718009912831762810.post-63793254723668230062007-10-26T20:18:00.000-07:002007-10-26T20:18:00.000-07:00And thanks for revealing your true feelings by usi...And thanks for revealing your true feelings by using the term "you gays." Nice.Renton Citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10878164253533231218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1718009912831762810.post-87926263215663547642007-10-26T20:15:00.000-07:002007-10-26T20:15:00.000-07:00Hey, knock yourself out! It's a free country, and ...Hey, knock yourself out! It's a free country, and if you want to ask the candidates what they think of gay marriage, no one's stopping you from doing so. I'd imagine the typical response would be, "No, but I do support the current domestic partnership protections," or, "That question is not relevant to this campaign. Unlike another candidate, I have never headed an organization devoted to that particular issue, and I have a demonstrated ability to work with people from all walks of life -- including our gay and lesbian citizens."<BR/><BR/>There is no "litmus test." There's just a "baggage check," and unfortunately, for her, Cheryl's brought far too much baggage for this trip.Renton Citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10878164253533231218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1718009912831762810.post-82710767696058600132007-10-26T20:02:00.000-07:002007-10-26T20:02:00.000-07:00and yet you continue to perscute those who dare ut...and yet you continue to perscute those who dare utter a position that you do not agree with, and let others who might hold similar postions hide. If you continue to insist on applying your narrow litmus test on 1 candidate, you must apply the same for others. Again (this is like beating a dead horse) this issue has so much less to do with the gays, and much more with candidates that offer a new fresh business orinetated face that will benefit all in Renton (yes, even you gays!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1718009912831762810.post-88302717927225596282007-10-26T19:01:00.000-07:002007-10-26T19:01:00.000-07:00I think I've made it pretty clear that I could car...I think I've made it pretty clear that I could care less about what the other candidates think about gay marriage. All of them -- Terry Persson, Marcie Palmer, King Parker, Don Persson, Greg Taylor, and Shirley Gaunt-Smith -- have established records for themselves in our community, either by already serving on the city council, or through their involvement with Renton-based organizations and issues. Nothing in any of of the work they've done in the community suggests that they have ever been outspoken opponents or proponents of gay rights or anything remotely similar. As a result, I really have no interest in learning where they stand on gay issues. If they choose to reveal their personal feelings on such things, that's their choice.<BR/><BR/>Cheryl, on the other hand, has been leading an organization that's singularly focused on preventing any form of marriage or "approximation of marriage" for gay people. Under her leadership, the group also testified against the anti-discrimination bill that now protects gay citizens. While Cheryl has obviously been involved in many other activities in her lifetime (many of which are very positive, I'm sure), she's really made a name for herself with the anti-gay stuff.Renton Citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10878164253533231218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1718009912831762810.post-78750544203053577822007-10-26T18:39:00.000-07:002007-10-26T18:39:00.000-07:00Where to start?I brought up the Colorado action to...Where to start?<BR/><BR/>I brought up the Colorado action to illustrate how the Religious Right has used such tactics to spread misinformation about gay people, which was a direct response to your accusation of me using "smear tactics." I am not spreading misinformation about Cheryl.Renton Citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10878164253533231218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1718009912831762810.post-86078377981895288792007-10-26T18:11:00.000-07:002007-10-26T18:11:00.000-07:00I wonder if you would post how all of the candidat...I wonder if you would post how all of the candidates who are running for office stand on the issue? <BR/><BR/>If this is only to stop someone from advancing there political ambitions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1718009912831762810.post-33503726139661385202007-10-26T17:59:00.000-07:002007-10-26T17:59:00.000-07:00You just did it again, smearing Cheryl by conectin...You just did it again, smearing Cheryl by conecting the Colorado action with her. Now I know you will say "I am not saying she had anything to do with that" but the fact that you bring it up as an argument is exactly how you smear somebody. Show me where she, herself, has smeared anyone, etc? And no, her unconnected political activities with redefining marriage is not an answer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1718009912831762810.post-59703482773127911802007-10-26T17:03:00.000-07:002007-10-26T17:03:00.000-07:00I hope you can see the irony in the statement you ...I hope you can see the irony in the statement you just made. Whether she likes it or not, Cheryl has allied herself with a movement that's s taken "smear tactics" to an entirely new level. Ever heard of the documentary "The Gay Agenda," which was distributed to the doorsteps of voters just before critical anti-discrimination laws were up for vote, especially in Colorado?<BR/><BR/>I stand by my statement, though: this is not a smear campaign against Cheryl. It's a public information campaign.Renton Citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10878164253533231218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1718009912831762810.post-282697819258503522007-10-26T16:51:00.000-07:002007-10-26T16:51:00.000-07:00Of course you are using smear tactics. This whole...Of course you are using smear tactics. This whole blog is a definition of smear tactics. You sound civil, but your constant attacks based on an unrelated issue is bewildering. Her statment answers pretty much your attacks! Somtimes, despite your paranoia, people are who they say they are, and in this case, a candidate for city council, nothing more, nothing less. To accuse one of a hidden agenda is shameful!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com